Here is an exposition and analysis of some of this week’s national security-related threads authored by Just Security Editorial Board member and former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti.
CNN Report that Trump, Trump Jr., Trump Org. Received WikiLeaks Docs
Mariotti comments on the CNN report that Trump, Trump Jr., and others within the Trump Organization received an email in Sept. 2016 offering a way to access hacked WikiLeaks documents. Trump Jr.’s lawyer told CNN that he did not remember the email and took no action on it, but Mariotti notes that Mueller’s team should be able to determine whether anyone acted on that email.
However, acting on a email to provide hacked documents is not enough to establish that Trump Jr. or anyone else in the campaign committed a criminal act. The Mueller investigation would need to prove that any person who opened and used the hacked documents knew that they were stolen. Thus, these reports could only take the Mueller team partly along the path to determining whether that type of offense was committed. (The events may also be relevant for other questions such as any coordination between the Trump campaign, Wikileaks, and the Russians.)
1/ Trump, Trump Jr, and the Trump Organization received a decryption key and link to hacked Wikileaks documents. https://t.co/GftNXwfzWJ
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 8, 2017
2/ Trump Jr., through his lawyer, claims that he did not recall the email and didn’t act on it. Mueller’s team should be able to identify who acted on the email.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 8, 2017
3/ Merely acting on the email isn’t enough to establish criminal liability. Most importantly, Mueller would need to prove that a person who opened and used the documents knew they were stolen (or that the person was part of an agreement to steal the documents).
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 8, 2017
4/ Late in the campaign, it was generally known that servers were hacked and that the emails on Wikileaks resulted from those hacks. I don’t think Mueller would prosecute based solely on use of material from Wikileaks.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 8, 2017
5/ Receipt of this email, along with use of its contents, would take Mueller part of the way down the road of what he needs to prove. /end
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 8, 2017
Trump Jr. Refuses to Testify as to Conversations Between Him and Trump, Citing Attorney-Client Privilege
In this thread, Mariotti analyzes Donald Trump Jr.’s refusal to provide details on conversations between himself and President Trump in testimony before the House Intel Committee. The conversations occurred when news broke of Trump Jr’s meeting with Russians in Trump Tower during the 2016 campaign. Trump Jr. cited the presence of an attorney in the conversations and attorney-client privilege as justification for refusing to answer congressional questions.
Mariotti notes that having one person’s attorney present in a conversation between two people does not automatically create attorney-client privilege. In fact, the very presence of a third party in a conversation between a client and his or her lawyer waives the privilege as a general rule. Only some courts, not all, have ruled that there is an exception to that waiver where the third party is a caretaker of the client, for example when a child takes care of an elderly parent, which is not the case here.
Weakening Trump Jr.’s argument further, as Mariotti says, is that the legal advice either of Trump or Trump Jr.’s lawyers on the Russia investigation would likely implicate the other person. That strengthens the argument that privilege would have been waived by the presence of the third party, because a third party’s presence for a legal conversation that could negatively implicate them suggests that the attorney and his client did not intend to keep the conversation confidential.
Finally, however, Mariotti concludes that because Trump Jr. withheld information from congressional investigators, and not a court, which could have held Trump Jr. in contempt for failing to produce such information, it is up to legislators to hold Trump Jr. accountable and obtain that information. For a deep dive on this topic, read Just Security‘s Andy Wright, “Why Don Jr.’s Attorney-Client Privilege Claim Is Dubious.”
THREAD: Was the conversation between Trump Jr. and his father privileged because an attorney was present? https://t.co/Zn4bcmcnFF
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 7, 2017
Trump Jr. cites attorney-client privilege in not answering panel’s questions about discussions with his father https://t.co/uViABzZAo8 via @KyleDCheney pic.twitter.com/AiXQKDMwvl
— POLITICO (@politico) December 7, 2017
1/ As the @Politico story above discussed, Trump Jr. refused to testify about a conversation with his father because an attorney was present and he claimed it was subject to attorney-client privilege.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 7, 2017
2/ The general rule is that a conversation is *not* privileged if a third person is present for the conversation with an attorney and a client.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 7, 2017
3/ Some courts have found that the privilege was not waived when a family member was present where the family member had a role in taking care of the client. For instance, if a son was a caregiver to an elderly parent.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 7, 2017
4/ In this instance, both Trump and Trump Jr. are subjects of the same investigation, and any legal advice they received on these topics would potentially implicate the other person. I doubt any court would conclude this conversation was privileged.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 7, 2017
5/ But witnesses in the Congressional investigations will continue to be able to evade answering questions if Congress is unwilling to hold them in contempt to make them pay a price for doing so. /end
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 7, 2017
Legal Significance of Reports that Flynn and Nuclear Deal for Former Business Partners
Mariotti analyzes a whistleblower’s allegation that, within 11 minutes of Trump’s inauguration, Michael Flynn texted a former business partner to move forward with a project to work with Russia to build nuclear reactors in the Arab World — their project was “good to go,” Flynn texted. The whistleblower further claimed that the business partner told him that Flynn was making sure that Russia sanctions would be “ripped up” as one of the administration’s first actions.
First, Mariotti notes that this is a corrupt act, even if the allegations do not show enough facts to allow Flynn to be prosecuted for bribery. A theft of honest services law is defined in 18 U.S.C. 1346, as exchanging an “official act” for something of personal value. Here, a promise to “rip up sanctions” would likely constitute an official act. Then, a prosecutor would need to probe whether Flynn received a thing of value in exchange for this promise, which we don’t have any evidence of from these allegations. Depending on the facts, it could still be an ethically corrupt act for Flynn to promise to benefit former business partners, regardless of whether it could be prosecuted under bribery law as part of a quid pro quo.
Second, the mere fact that Flynn allegedly brought up that Trump wanted to end Russia sanctions and made it a top priority is also important, in Mariotti’s view. It suggests that there could be other reasons why the White House wanted to end Russia sanctions so soon, which could be an important line of inquiry for Mueller’s investigation–providing either exculpatory or incriminating information.
THREAD: Does today’s revelation that Michael Flynn allegedly would reduce sanctions against Russia matter legally to Mueller?
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 7, 2017
1/ Earlier today, @RepCummings wrote a letter to @TGowdySC revealing allegations made by a whistleblower about Flynn working to reduce sanctions to benefit a nuclear reactor project he benefited from. Here’s the letter: https://t.co/FiBc2qQhOL
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 7, 2017
2/ The whistleblower claims that while Trump delivered his inaugural address, Flynn texted that the nuclear reactor project was “good to go.” Flynn also allegedly suggested that sanctions against Russia would be “ripped up.”
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 7, 2017
3/ Obviously, if the allegations are true, what Flynn did was corrupt. Advocating for a policy in order to personally benefit from it is far below what we expect from public servants. So is it a crime?
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 7, 2017
4/ It is a crime to trade an official act (like “ripping up” sanctions) for a thing of value. That’s a crime called “theft of honest services” that’s like bribery.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 7, 2017
5/ So if Flynn agreed to exchange lifting sanctions for some amount of money (or something else of value), that’s a crime. But the allegations of the whistleblower, on their own, come a bit short of making that claim.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 7, 2017
6/ It’s not enough if Flynn pushed for a repeal of sanctions knowing that his firm would benefit but without a true quid pro quo. Obviously it would still be corrupt—just not chargeable as a crime.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 7, 2017
7/ But this whistleblower isn’t the only evidence Mueller has access to. The biggest news in this story is that Flynn said Trump would scrap sanctions against Russia and was focused on doing so. Why else would he bring it up as an early priority of the Administration?
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 7, 2017
8/ If I was Mueller, I would search very hard for evidence that something was exchanged or offered in exchange for lifting sanctions.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 7, 2017
9/ The letter also indicates that Flynn’s former business partners would have been witnesses against him if he didn’t plead guilty. That’s even more reason to believe that Flynn gave Mueller very substantial assistance in exchange for a cooperation deal. /end
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 7, 2017
Trump Jr.’s Statement that Hope Hicks Worked with Him to Craft Statement on Trump Tower Meeting
Here, Mariotti notes that Trump Jr.’s statement that Hope Hicks, rather than his father, helped him craft the misleading statement about his meeting with a Russian lawyer at Trump Tower in July 2016 does not help either Trump or Trump Jr. from a legal perspective.
Mueller is likely to care about Hicks’ communications in any case, given that she communicates with Trump so closely, and particularly with respect to the Trump Tower meeting, even if Trump Jr.’s claim is true. Mueller would want to know what Trump told Hicks about the meeting and about whether Trump had a role in crafting the statement nevertheless. She would likely be a key witness as to Trump and Trump Jr.’s statements.
1/ Trump Jr’s statement that Hope Hicks, not Trump, worked with him to craft a statement about the Trump Tower meeting doesn’t help him or his father from a legal perspective. https://t.co/L2WoYIsjUf
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 6, 2017
2/ Hicks communicates often with Trump, so Mueller will care about her communications with Trump. What did Trump tell her about the Trump Tower meeting? Who was the source of the misleading language in the statement about the meeting? What edits and changes came from Trump?
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 6, 2017
3/ You can expect Mueller to closely scrutinize everything Hicks told Trump or Trump Jr., making her a key witness as he investigates both of them. Anything either of them told Hicks is fair game and admissible in court. /end
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 6, 2017
Flynn’s Plea Deal (Part II)
Here, Mariotti notes that under the Flynn plea deal, the federal sentencing guidelines only factored in conduct related to his lying to the FBI charge, and not any other criminal conduct related to his lobbying, such as failing to accurately disclose his lobbying activities on his Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) filings. Therefore, Flynn is only estimated to face a sentence of zero to six months in prison under the guidelines.
Mariotti concludes that because this is such a light potential sentence given Flynn’s broad criminal exposure, and because Flynn flipped suggesting the case against him was strong, Flynn must be helping the Mueller investigation bring charges against others.
1/This is a fantastic deal for Flynn. It means that the advisory federal sentencing guidelines range doesn’t factor in any other criminal conduct related to his lobbying activity. https://t.co/GXEqrMKwV2
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017
Prosecutors estimated that Flynn would face a sentence of zero to six months in prison under federal sentencing rules. pic.twitter.com/BmqlNSFund
— Brad Heath (@bradheath) December 1, 2017
2/ Unless Mueller had a weak case—which I doubt, given that Flynn flipped—this means that Mueller is getting very substantial cooperation in exchange.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017
3/ Federal prosecutors don’t give defendants cooperation credit unless their testimony will result in charges against another person. We’ll have to wait and see who Flynn helps Mueller charge. /end
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017
Flynn Plea Deal: What Does it Mean? (Part I)
In this thread, Mariotti notes that while Flynn was under investigation for a wide variety of crimes, his plea deal includes only the lying to the FBI charge. This is unlike Manafort’s indictment, which included multiple crimes. Because these charges were not as severe, the Mueller investigation was able to issue, and the defense agreed to, a “criminal information,” which is a charging document that does not require the approval of a grand jury, like the grand jury indictment in Manafort’s case. Such indictments are more often for serious crimes.
The limited charges cap the amount of time Flynn might serve in jail at five years, even if a judge wanted to give him more time. Ultimately, however, Mariotti believes Flynn is unlikely to be charged with additional crimes if he cooperates with the Mueller investigation and provides useful information. That would mean Mueller would be providing Flynn with a substantial benefit of reduced jail time, and Flynn would need to provide “substantial assistance” to the Mueller investigation. It is unlikely that Flynn would get such a beneficial plea deal if he were only providing information about lesser figures or figures who had already been indicted or pleaded.
Finally, Mariotti notes that the extent of Flynn’s sentence won’t be revealed until all of his cooperation with Mueller is finished — which means we won’t know the exact details of what Flynn provided for a long time.
THREAD: What does today’s news that Flynn is pleading guilty to making a false statement to the FBI mean?
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017
1/ Today Special Counsel Robert Mueller will charge Flynn with making a false statement to the FBI. This is almost certainly a signal that Flynn has a plea deal and is cooperating with Mueller. Read the charge here: https://t.co/fpFBqwhI6S
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017
2/ We have heard reports that Flynn was under investigation for a wide variety of crimes, including failure to register as a foreign agent.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017
3/ If Flynn didn’t cooperate, he could have been charged with other crimes, such as failure to register. For instance, Manafort was charged with a wide variety of crimes. Flynn’s indictment could have looked like that.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017
4/ This charging document is called an “information,” which is the same kind of charging document that Papadopoulos had. All that means is that the defense agreed that Mueller didn’t have to present the document to a grand jury for approval.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017
6/ That means that no matter how bad the judge thinks Flynn is, or what sentence the judge would like to impose, he is “capped” at a five-year maximum sentence. That could be a very significant benefit to Flynn.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017
7/ This doesn’t mean that the judge won’t consider other things that Flynn did. In fact, the judge is required to consider all of the “history and characteristics” of Flynn, which includes other wrongdoing by him.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017
8/ But this plea could significantly affect the recommended advisory sentence under the Federal Sentencing Guidelines. While the guidelines will factor in criminal conduct beyond the false statements it will only consider crimes that are part of the same “course of conduct.”
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017
9/ Flynn’s lobbying work, for example, may not be part of the same course of conduct as the false statements. So this could result in a lower recommended Guidelines sentence, which could influence the sentence imposed by the judge.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017
10/ Flynn could still be charged with other crimes, either by Mueller or by a state Attorney General like Eric Schneiderman. That is a hammer that Mueller has over Flynn, if he does not truthfully testify and fully cooperate.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017
11/ That said, if Flynn cooperates, I don’t expect that he will be charged with other crimes. That means that he’s received a substantial benefit from Mueller, and suggests that Flynn can provide “substantial assistance” to Mueller.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017
12/ “Substantial assistance” means that Flynn can help Mueller make a case against someone else that Mueller thinks is worth charging. Generally defendants don’t get as much credit for “cooperating down” or cooperating against equals.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017
13/ That doesn’t tell us who Flynn is cooperating against. It’s possible that Flynn is cooperating against associates as well as Manafort and Gates, and Mueller thinks that’s sufficient. But there’s a reasonable chance that it’s someone bigger than that.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017
14/ None of this tells us what will happen with Flynn’s son, Michael Flynn Jr. I suspect that not charging Flynn Jr. might be part of the deal, but that would also be a very substantial benefit and would suggest greater cooperation by Flynn.
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017
15/ Flynn won’t be sentenced until *after* all of his cooperation is complete, so the judge can consider his cooperation and factor that into the sentence. So we won’t know for quite a while, maybe years (if Manafort goes to trial), what his sentence will be. /end
— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 1, 2017